The War in Iraq

[Conchizzie]

Any political views on this matter?

I'm not sure how the Canadians and Brits here feel about it, but the US is pretty torn over it.

What's your view?

[ReZourceman]

I really dont know to be honest. Wars not a good thing, but I dont know how I feel about it. It sucks that more troops keep getting sent and dieing.

[Conchizzie]

Totally agree with oyu on war being a terrible thing. War is when a country has failed at it's job. That's my belief for war as a whole.

[No Wow]

My dad's in the British army but he like connived to get out of going to Iraq, partly because he decides where all the soldiers in the army are posted.


I never think war is real cos it doesnt affect my life at all. I would probably have a stronger view if I was living in Iraq.


I know it sounds callous but it makes no difference to me whether theres a war or not.

[Paj Meen Ah]

I think it's just cruel that they arent taken out.

It must be some kind of breach of human rights, sending people to die.

"For my country" is complete bullshit.

[No Wow]

Well they do get paid, its not like the government is conscripting randoms.

And the pention they get if they die in war is massive. My dad was telling me we'd earn more money if he died in war than if he lived and just worked.

[Conchizzie]

That's true, but you can't buy healings to emotional scars...

Anyways, I think that, even though there is so much pain over there and such, that the need us over there. The country is weak--and it's the US's fault; they need to solve the problem, rather than let them try (and most likely fail) on their own.

[Paj Meen Ah]

But..it's just like..

Why die?

Why not just like leave them be, until it's absolutely necessary? (Maybe im being ignorant and it was "absolutely necessary")

[No Wow]

Well the thought that Saddam hussein could have killed half of the USA with a nuclear bomb is justification enough for most people.

[Paj Meen Ah]

Yeah duh.

lol

Like contradictory bitch.

[Fantastic_Four]

admin said:

I really dont know to be honest. Wars not a good thing, but I dont know how I feel about it. It sucks that more troops keep getting sent and dieing.

EVERY person that has been sent over there has volentered. They take that risk when they go in there. Even though it does suck that some people are dieing.

[The Hush is BACK]

I think the war is absolute bullshit. It kind of reminds of me of the situation after WWI with the League of Nations. Countries like England, France, USA were given "mandates" to go into countries like Iran and Egypt to "help them achieve national self-determination" goals. Of course, we all know they went for the trade routes and resources, not to help the locals get self-government.

Same thing now, the US can dress it up as a "holy crusade" all they want, but it's crap. When the hell will the US learn that they are not the damn "end all, be all" and not the moral authority of the world? They have a responsiblity to ensure peace, not a right to invade countries. And the zealous support of the right-wing religious groups only adds fuel to the fire, by making it seem (falsely) as not just America's war, but "God's crusade".

sigh..... if only Al Gore won the election..... America and the world would be so much better off.

As for Canadians, most of us are very liberal as a whole, most oppose the war.


For those that question why it's so easy for the USA to keep in the war despite some opposition, a quote from a knowledgeable source on the matter should help. The quote below is one of my favorites, from former Nazi Party member and Chief of the Luftwaffe Hermann Goering:

“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

I look at the US, and after reading this quote, shake my head at how true it is, sadly.

[JKL]

hush said:

sigh..... if only Al Gore won the election..... America and the world would be so much better off.

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Not necessarily true. 9/11 was an extremely emotionally charged event. A lot of American's at the time, of all political persuasions, wanted to attack the people responsible, and then some (you can say a lot about Americans, but most importantly, we're petty). So, even if Al Gore was President, there still is a good chance we would have gone to war in Afghanistan. And assuming that the "phony intelligence" about Iraq supplying Al Qaeda was a case of someone mis-hearing something rather than just trying to come up with an excuse to attempt to outdo daddy Bush, there probably would have been a war there, too.

One of my sister's friends was over either in Iraq or Afghanistan as a lowly peon soldier. He came back, and he wasn't the same. It's really unfortunate. There's little doubt in my mind that Saddam was an evil man, but I don't really think the War in Iraq was justified.

In the past 20 years, the entire world has been changing politically and economically. It is no longer the Cold War, and really, it's no longer a world of "Us and Them." Sometimes, I think the people in Washington are just too used to the idea of having some big enemy to be paranoid about.

[Charaxes]

I think that you can still support the troops even if you don't support the reason they're overseas. That's pretty much my position on the war. I really think it's unnecessary, and that, at this point, we should just cut our losses and leave. However, I still think it's important to support the troops that are overseas, simply because they have sacrificed so much in an attempt to better our country.

[JKL]

charaxes said:

I think that you can still support the troops even if you don't support the reason they're overseas. That's pretty much my position on the war. I really think it's unnecessary, and that, at this point, we should just cut our losses and leave. However, I still think it's important to support the troops that are overseas, simply because they have sacrificed so much in an attempt to better our country.

Agreed. It's not the the troops' idea to go to war, or who come up with the reasons. It's them who have to get their hands dirty.