Origin of Life

[Conchizzie]

So what are you guys' views on the origin of life?

Evolution?

Creationism?

Something else?

[Paj Meen Ah]

I've allready been to Heaven. After 5 minutes, I was like "Lets Go".

Evolution.

Duh.

(lol. Just kidding. You can be creationist if so inclined)

[Conchizzie]

I believe the Earth was created in seven 24-hour days by God. In those days, he made all that we see today. Plants, Water, Sun, Man, and even Dinosaurs were created in that seven day period.

In short, I believe in the Genesis account to it's fullest.

[ReZourceman]

concherto said:

In those days, he made all that we see today.

concherto said:

Dinosaurs

Where you seeing Dinosaurs? I gotta get myself to Wisconsin!

I believe in the Big Bang...or something along those lines.

[Conchizzie]

Dinosaur Species simply died out. Some creationist even believe that a few dinosaurs are still in existence, just in the far depth of Africa, etc.

The main point of my comment was to say Dinosaurs and Man lived at the same time, along with every other creature.

[Paj Meen Ah]

lol Dinosaurs randomly like rampaginf through Eden.

No offence.

[Concherto too lazy to sign in]

pashy said:

lol Dinosaurs randomly like rampaginf through Eden.

No offence.

None taken, but let me explain in terms of the Genesis account.

Before Adam and Eve ate of the Tree of Knowledge of good & Evil, there was no death. Thus, carnivorous animals were not in existence, meaning your "rampaging dinosaurs" simply ate only vegetation rather than meats.

I could go into more detail, but I'll wait a bit for replies.

[No Wow]

I cannot say whether there was an Eden or not, but evolution has to be believed.

Why would God create things without the ability to improve themselves over time?

[Paj Meen Ah]

And it's been scietifically proven.

I'm probably the most unscientific person ever, and I have a pretty good hunch that Darwin was correct (or at least not far from the truth).

Dinosaurs were the one thing that could disprove the bible stories. The fact that they're never mentioned, nor are any animals that hadnt been discovered when the bible was written.

Also, the fact that humanity continued after Adam and Eve had 2 SONS. (or did they mysteriously find wives..on second though iirc they did..i cant remember. In Religious Studies we talk about sex, drugs and Sexual drugs)

[Conchizzie]

pashy said:

And it's been scietifically proven.

I'm probably the most unscientific person ever, and I have a pretty good hunch that Darwin was correct (or at least not far from the truth).

Dinosaurs were the one thing that could disprove the bible stories. The fact that they're never mentioned, nor are any animals that hadnt been discovered when the bible was written.

Also, the fact that humanity continued after Adam and Eve had 2 SONS. (or did they mysteriously find wives..on second though iirc they did..i cant remember. In Religious Studies we talk about sex, drugs and Sexual drugs)

Oh, you just hit quite a few points of my studies.

The word "Dinosaur" is not found in the Bible, I'll give you that. But that is simply beacause the word was not invented when the book was written! The word did not come up till 1842. There are mentions of "Dinosaurs" in the bible: The behemoth for example.

15"Behold now, Behemoth, which I made as well as you;
He eats grass like an ox.
16"Behold now, his strength in his loins
And his power in the muscles of his belly.
17"He bends his tail like a cedar;
The sinews of his thighs are knit together.
18"His bones are tubes of bronze;
His limbs are like bars of iron.
19"He is the first of the ways of God;
Let his maker bring near his sword.
20"Surely the mountains bring him food,
And all the beasts of the field play there.
21"Under the lotus plants he lies down,
In the covert of the reeds and the marsh.
22"The lotus plants cover him with shade;
The willows of the brook surround him.
23"If a river rages, he is not alarmed;
He is confident, though the Jordan rushes to his mouth.
24"Can anyone capture him when he is on watch,
With barbs can anyone pierce his nose?

Hmm...sounds like a Brontosaurus to me...

Also, with your comment on how Adam and Eve had only 2 sons is, no offense, a bit ignorant. First of all, 3 children are mentioned: Cain, Abel, and Seth.

Secondly, does the Bible specify how long the two were in the Garden together. Cain and Abel were the first children thay had where Eve felt the pain of Childbirth In the garden, they could have had, theorhectically, quite a few children. Cain and Abel would have simply marriede one of their siblings (there was no one else.)

I could go into more depth, but I need to go now real quick.

[Conchizzie]

chair2 said:

I cannot say whether there was an Eden or not, but evolution has to be believed.

Why would God create things without the ability to improve themselves over time?

I think, unless they changed it, that the bible says "and he saw it was very good." or something of that manner. Does that not imply that it does not need change?

[Paj Meen Ah]

concherto said:

pashy said:

And it's been scietifically proven.

I'm probably the most unscientific person ever, and I have a pretty good hunch that Darwin was correct (or at least not far from the truth).

Dinosaurs were the one thing that could disprove the bible stories. The fact that they're never mentioned, nor are any animals that hadnt been discovered when the bible was written.

Also, the fact that humanity continued after Adam and Eve had 2 SONS. (or did they mysteriously find wives..on second though iirc they did..i cant remember. In Religious Studies we talk about sex, drugs and Sexual drugs)

Oh, you just hit quite a few points of my studies.

The word "Dinosaur" is not found in the Bible, I'll give you that. But that is simply beacause the word was not invented when the book was written! The word did not come up till 1842. There are mentions of "Dinosaurs" in the bible: The behemoth for example.

15"Behold now, Behemoth, which I made as well as you;
He eats grass like an ox.
16"Behold now, his strength in his loins
And his power in the muscles of his belly.
17"He bends his tail like a cedar;
The sinews of his thighs are knit together.
18"His bones are tubes of bronze;
His limbs are like bars of iron.
19"He is the first of the ways of God;
Let his maker bring near his sword.
20"Surely the mountains bring him food,
And all the beasts of the field play there.
21"Under the lotus plants he lies down,
In the covert of the reeds and the marsh.
22"The lotus plants cover him with shade;
The willows of the brook surround him.
23"If a river rages, he is not alarmed;
He is confident, though the Jordan rushes to his mouth.
24"Can anyone capture him when he is on watch,
With barbs can anyone pierce his nose?

Hmm...sounds like a Brontosaurus to me...

Also, with your comment on how Adam and Eve had only 2 sons is, no offense, a bit ignorant. First of all, 3 children are mentioned: Cain, Abel, and Seth.

Secondly, does the Bible specify how long the two were in the Garden together. Cain and Abel were the first children thay had where Eve felt the pain of Childbirth In the garden, they could have had, theorhectically, quite a few children. Cain and Abel would have simply marriede one of their siblings (there was no one else.)

I could go into more depth, but I need to go now real quick.

I did start questioning myself on the Cain and Abel stuff, so I apoligize for getting it wrong.

You houldnt really say "mm..sounds like x" in a tone that suggests that it explicitly says what it is, and I'm just stupid.

It's extremly vague, and tales of giant beasts have been around since the start of storytelling and myths. I don't know which part of the bible you took that extract from (old testament obvo), so I can't like say much else. But the fact is, no one knew much about "Giant Lizards", until their remains were discovered. I belive the common theory that there weren't any homo sapiens until after the dinosaurs had died out, so their existence wouldnt have been known about, since the first "human" life forms were homo erectus, and they wouldnt have ben tell stories to their children, like future civilisations would.

Of course many beasts and monsters have their roots in Greek, Roman and Egyptian mythology (as well as many other civilisations).

I just don't see the justification that it was talking about a Brontosaurus.

I'm sorry If I'm being offensive or whatever, but I think everyones entitled to their own opinion.

[Charaxes]

concherto said:

I believe the Earth was created in seven 24-hour days by God. In those days, he made all that we see today. Plants, Water, Sun, Man, and even Dinosaurs were created in that seven day period.

In short, I believe in the Genesis account to it's fullest.

Actually, in the book of Genesis, God created everything in the heavens and the Earth in six days, and rested on the seventh day.

[Conchizzie]

charaxes said:

concherto said:

I believe the Earth was created in seven 24-hour days by God. In those days, he made all that we see today. Plants, Water, Sun, Man, and even Dinosaurs were created in that seven day period.

In short, I believe in the Genesis account to it's fullest.

Actually, in the book of Genesis, God created everything in the heavens and the Earth in six days, and rested on the seventh day.

Ah, you are correct, my mistake.

*slaps self in head for making religious mistake.*

[Conchizzie]

Pash, I see your point, and I take no offense to it. Still, there is evidence of knowledge of such creatures. Many Native America Tribes made samll figurines-toys if you will-of creatures. "Coincidentally," these happen to be almost, if not exactly, what dinosaurs in that area looked like in comparison with the fossil record.


My Except was from Job BTW.


*Still slapping self in head for saying 7 days...*

[No Wow]

I dont think how the world was created is even relevant.


Even if it was God who created it, is that gonna change anything?


I dont understand why people make such a big deal about what created what.


It like has no effect on my life.