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Post by Doc on Mar 18, 2008 14:30:40 GMT -5
i wasnt singling anyone out 4 defacing me. Its just the 2 of u said same old same oldeven if it was in the pocess of defending or being nice o whtevr. But its not the saem old. Im completely diff and have been. Tht hurt me mir thn the taint of doom crap. Those guys are assholes and idc wut they thibnk. I care wut u and charlie think thoughm atlweast ii did b4 i became a "douche". and how daree rock not only accuse me of breaking the rules and having multiple accouns but infirming everyone 4 no reason othr thn 2 make me look bad. I didnt break the rules but even if he did y is he comin on 2 a mafia forum 2 infor. Eveeryoneothr thn 2 make me look bad. hes a fucking asshole. and thawmus u misunderstood wut i was saying. and this is from my fone so its short hand and bad spelling and grammar. I think you need to re-define what "Same old, same old" and (what I actually said) "He has a history with this", actually means. What Chuck and I said is completely accurate. It's completely regardless of how you behave now. You DO have a history with this, and this IS same old, same old. I'm glad you went as long as you did without getting into trouble, but this IS old hat for you, whether you want to acknowledge that or not. I'm sorry I misunderstood then. I really am. I just got a little flared up by this recent turn of events. |
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Post by thawmus on Mar 18, 2008 15:58:17 GMT -5
I know. That's why I'm telling you, once again, to take a step back, take a deep breath, and just let it all go. There's nothing you can do to change what happened. And asking people to post stuff for you over at HCR is just going to get you into MORE trouble. Just walk away, and let it all go. When the ban is lifted, come back, and just don't don't DON'T give those guys an excuse to ban you. I posted what I posted, because I feel that you're really shitty at defending yourself. That's all there is to it. And I'm done. You should be done, too. What you do from here on out is your business alone. See you when the ban is lifted. I'm sure there'll be a vanilla mafia game for you to get into.  |
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Post by ReZourceman on Mar 18, 2008 16:32:02 GMT -5
(Thawmus is the man)
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Post by Ro-gan on Mar 19, 2008 0:20:10 GMT -5
Well, if someone is using the <red> font over at HCRealms now then they stole it from me. Pretty pathetic, if you ask me.
Whoever it is should be more creative instead of being a hack. I meant red colored names like all moderators on realms have. (aka. Rock) |
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Post by Charaxes on Mar 19, 2008 0:32:47 GMT -5
Ro, the mods don't post in red but their User Name is highlighted in red kinda like how our mods' User Names are highlighted in blue.
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Post by Ro-gan on Mar 19, 2008 9:53:37 GMT -5
Ro, the mods don't post in red but their User Name is highlighted in red kinda like how our mods' User Names are highlighted in blue.
Groovy was telling me this past weekend at WWLA how the Mods tried to throw another shot at me through some Mafia Game by making one of the characters Ro-gan. Ro-gan wound up lasting forever and taking a few people down-- or something like that.
Ya know... that really annoys me. I have them so pissed off that they have to resort to the immaturity level of a toddler and strike back at me where I can't even defend myself. Seriously. How immature is that?!
I have made it known over the years that I am willing to meet face-to-face to work problems out. Whether it be by discussion and/or pugalism.
But, like the basement trolls on so many Internet Forums the Mods/Admins at HCRealms hide behind their computers and throw insults and instigate flame wars all the while hiding behind their Mod/Admin status and anonymity to protect them.
Last year at WWC I told both superfro and Frontman I would be more than willing to meet them at the Con and verbally discuss our problems with each other. Both neither sought me out, but I did look for both of them. I was willing to try and reach a middle ground with them. They were not, apparently.
At last year's WWE, Aaron (AZS) ran from me everytime he saw me. It was actually funny to watch. He'd see me and then start quick marching in the opposite direction. Guilty conscience, anyone?
Michele was the only person who had the cajones to try to talk to me. We were more than cordial to each other everytime we saw one another at WWE. When we both realized I wasn't ready to talk about the situation that developed between the two of us and my feelings of betrayal we let it go and mutually decided not to try and force a discussion that was not ready to be opened.
Perhaps Michele (Shel) should be given HCRealms' Admin status. At least she has proven over the years that she doesn't give in to Abuse Of Power. If someone insults her/annoys her on HCR she doesn't start giving out WPs/Bannings simply to abuse her power. Unlike the other Mods that have been complained about by a very high percentage of people.
As I said in a post last year:
When GroovyBoy gets to the point that he makes it known publically he is annoyed with someone then there IS a problem. Groovy is one of the most laid back guys there is. To get his ire riled means the person (Frontman) that did so has a problem of some type.
Michele seems to have the coveted abiltiy to listen to reason and discuss and listen to BOTH sides of a conflict BEFORE making a decision. No other Mods (besides Duane and Kenny and sometimes Bill) have demonstrated this ability. And, let me state that I am basing this opinion on what I have read AND discussed with various HCR Members in person/real life.
I'm not ready to work things out with Michele. Maybe at WWE this year I will be. She hurt me big. Betrayal's a hard thing to deal with. So, for me to state publically that she should be the Admin, shows my respect for her. |
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Post by JKL on Mar 19, 2008 15:17:50 GMT -5
[ Still kind of pathetic they chose red. There are umpteen colors in the spectrum and they took mine. Yeah, yeah... I know I don't own the color red, but one gets the idea what I mean. That was my own thing since 2002 or 2003.
Groovy was telling me this past weekend at WWLA how the Mods tried to throw another shot at me through some Mafia Game by making one of the characters Ro-gan. Ro-gan wound up lasting forever and taking a few people down-- or something like that.
.I'm not sure if the Moderator name color is something they can change or if it's just something that comes with Realmworx. And as for you being in a mafia game, the Mods had nothing to do with that. It was an HCRealmser Themed Mafia game run by Iron Ham. I believe you were the 'banned mafia' Don, and Iron Ham made rules so that it was exceedingly difficult to lynch you, even though EVERYONE knew that JackA had been given that Role (red typeface was a posting restriction). |
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Post by Ro-gan on Mar 19, 2008 16:08:22 GMT -5
[ Still kind of pathetic they chose red. There are umpteen colors in the spectrum and they took mine. Yeah, yeah... I know I don't own the color red, but one gets the idea what I mean. That was my own thing since 2002 or 2003.
Groovy was telling me this past weekend at WWLA how the Mods tried to throw another shot at me through some Mafia Game by making one of the characters Ro-gan. Ro-gan wound up lasting forever and taking a few people down-- or something like that.
.I'm not sure if the Moderator name color is something they can change or if it's just something that comes with Realmworx. And as for you being in a mafia game, the Mods had nothing to do with that. It was an HCRealmser Themed Mafia game run by Iron Ham. I believe you were the 'banned mafia' Don, and Iron Ham made rules so that it was exceedingly difficult to lynch you, even though EVERYONE knew that JackA had been given that Role (red typeface was a posting restriction).
Groovy didn't mention it was a 'Realmser Member thing and not set up by the Mods. And, I didn't ask either.
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Post by Doc on Mar 19, 2008 17:39:00 GMT -5
In all seriousness Ro, besides Fronts musings here with Skeevs, have you really talked to him in the past few months?
He sued to be a huge asshole who arguably abused his power and what not, but when it was pointed out to him, he saw it, admitted to it, and changed his ways. Fronts pretty cool now, and I used to hate him weith a passion. You can ask around, Shel knows how much I used to hate Front But seriously, he's changed a lot.
Rock on the other hand...
And as for AZS, I've had no personal experience with him so I wouldn't know. He seems to have a pesemistic attitude of "no matter what I do they'll hate me", but I haven't had any interaction with him.
And Shel, as always is awesome.
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Post by Ro-gan on Mar 19, 2008 22:21:21 GMT -5
In all seriousness Ro, besides Fronts musings here with Skeevs, have you really talked to him in the past few months? He sued to be a huge asshole who arguably abused his power and what not, but when it was pointed out to him, he saw it, admitted to it, and changed his ways. Fronts pretty cool now, and I used to hate him weith a passion. You can ask around, Shel knows how much I used to hate Front But seriously, he's changed a lot. Rock on the other hand... And as for AZS, I've had no personal experience with him so I wouldn't know. He seems to have a pesemistic attitude of "no matter what I do they'll hate me", but I haven't had any interaction with him. And Shel, as always is awesome.
I've seen what he's posted about me and I've seen him try to bait me into a flame war not even a month ago or so. So, if he's changed... I'm not seeing it.
As to the rest you mentioned:
I know the following in real life and have met them outside of all the Cons I go to:
Shel
AZS
Rock810
Bill is a good guy. But, yes he does have an attitude from time to time. No biggie. I like his 'tude. Bill is great until you get under his skin. Than he won't hold back when he's wronged.
Sadly, I've seen him from time to time also abusing his Mod powers. Not often, though.
I've already said my thing about Michele so I won't repeat myself.
Aaron is an egotist. He seriously thinks everyone owes him something and that he is better than everyone else. I say this after going to his Tournaments, having him come to my house a couple times and hang with me, go to dinner with him and his girlfriend a couple or so times, go to a movie with him, drive him to his car during a blizzard, offered to let him and his girl crash at my place because of said blizzard and, of course, hanging with him at the Cons and bars we always wind up going to.
So... for everyone over the past year that has just called me bitter because it was Aaron that banned me... there you go. It wasn't something like him banning ReZ or ohoni. This was him banning somene who he supposedly called "friend" simply because I had it with his attitude and called him on it via PM. PM. Not in public. PM.
But, whatever... Aaron basically lost one of the VERY FEW that actually stood up for him when the MANY were insulting him behind his back... including the WK higher-ups.
Oh! And when I say Aaron is an egotist and thinks he is better than everyone else... I say this confidantly from someone who recognizes the signs. I should know... I AM an egotist and I AM better than everyone else. Hence, Aaron and my attitudes clashed quite often. But, apparently, I was a better and more mature man about it than him. He couldn't even look me in the eye when he shoved the knife in my back. Not even a phone call. Not even coming up to me at WWE to say something. Naw. I get him lying in the WP log of why he banned me. *Pfft* Pussy. |
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Post by Doc on Mar 19, 2008 22:36:18 GMT -5
So, instead of being so volatile and hateful towards realms and mods, why didn;t you just politely explain the specifics to a different more level headed mod? Aaron would have turned out to be the one looking bad, you would hvae gotten the retribution you crave, and would be allowed back on the Realms.
But you chose to do an immature thing and overreact over it. And you know you chose that course, and made the decision to take that course when there were betterr ones available.
Why?
And I'm not Front's "boot licking lackey". But he's my friend, (as of the past few months), and I didn't like people mocking him, so I said something Sometimes I just got fed up with how unHCR friendly this site is, and were it not for HCR this site wouldn't even exist.
And you say I'm the only one to say who's a better person than before, but who hear posts here that you would know? Skeevs? Bigdonlkey? Those assholes opinions aren't worth shit.
Do you mean Groovyboy and others you know in real life? Maybe they haven't interacted with Front in a long while, becuase I can tell you, I went from hating him with a passion to being his friend, ad I'm usually rather pixky about who I befirend. He really has changed.
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Post by skeevo666 on Mar 19, 2008 22:51:06 GMT -5
Aaron is an egotist. He seriously thinks everyone owes him something and that he is better than everyone else. I say this after going to his Tournaments, having him come to my house a couple times and hang with me, go to dinner with him and his girlfriend a couple or so times, go to a movie with him, drive him to his car during a blizzard, offered to let him and his girl crash at my place because of said blizzard and, of course, hanging with him at the Cons and bars we always wind up going to. I have a friend who interacted with Aaron back in the days of the OverPower CCG (95-99) This is not new behaviour  Those assholes opinions aren't worth shit. Same to you, asshat  . |
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Post by Ro-gan on Mar 20, 2008 13:11:55 GMT -5
So, instead of being so volatile and hateful towards realms and mods, why didn;t you just politely explain the specifics to a different more level headed mod? Aaron would have turned out to be the one looking bad, you would hvae gotten the retribution you crave, and would be allowed back on the Realms. Aaron is an ADMIN. What Mod can overrule him?? Shel, Duane and Bill went to bat for me. Everyone knew the situation because I went public with it. I'm not afraid to air my personal life on a forum where others are afraid to reveal who they are.
It doesn't matter what I would have said or done. Like one of the WK employees told me this past weekend at WWLA: I could have drove to Aaron's home and told him what I thought of him. Aaron would have abused his power and still banned me. This is coming from a higher up at WK.
Aaron is petty. He proved it and I went public with it. I'm not going to apologize for something that is not wrong.
I sent a PM (that's PRIVATE MESSAGE) to Aaron and told him:
"Aaron, go fuck yourself, seriously."
That's all I did. That got me permanently banned. I couldn't even tell you how many times I've told the following people to fuck off or razzed them: Groovy, Gacy, Shel, Duane, Bill, Hair10, The Mormon, Stevie D, Hail Eris, Jackgotbak, Bubblehead, Lucky Musolino, quite a few WK higher ups (including Darren, Seth, Wade, Rae, to name a very few), MSU, Stark's Heir, Space Ghost, and the list goes on and on...
What did they do? They razzed me back or told me to fuck off and we carried on with our lives. I'm still friends with all of them to this day. What did Aaron do? He abused his power.
Friends can tell one another to fuck off or razz one another. That's part and parcel of being friends. Apparently, Aaron was never my friend and used me to get Police Courtesy Cards and used my fame/infamy with the HCR crowd to make him look like a good guy by having me stick up for him.But you chose to do an immature thing and overreact over it. And you know you chose that course, and made the decision to take that course when there were betterr ones available. Why? It wasn't immature. I went public and I did it in the over-the-top theatrics that gets attention from everyone. I did it on purpose because I didn't want what Aaron did to be swept under the rug and hidden away. Which is what he told me to do with my discovery of LeaLu being a man.
Any course of action I took wasn't going to get me unbanned unless I apologized to Aaron publically to appease his ego.
The only honest apology I can give Aaron is this:
"Aaron, I'm sorry I used the HCRealms PRIVATE Message System to tell you to fuck yourself. I should have called you on the phone or went to your home to tell you to fuck yourself."
Aaron WAS taking personal attacks at me and WAS using his Admin status to do so. As a friend, I called him on it and, as I would do with Groovy or Gacy or MSU, etc, I told him to knock it off and go fuck himself. End of story. Aaron's ego couldn't deal with that and he overstepped his bounds.
I'd really love to see precedent on HCRealms where another person got 25 WPs and a Perma-ban simply for telling someone else to go fuck themselves in a PRIVATE MESSAGE. Oh, wait... I can't because it's never happened before.And I'm not Front's "boot licking lackey". But he's my friend, (as of the past few months), and I didn't like people mocking him, so I said something Sometimes I just got fed up with how unHCR friendly this site is, and were it not for HCR this site wouldn't even exist. And you say I'm the only one to say who's a better person than before, but who hear posts here that you would know? Skeevs? Bigdonlkey? Those assholes opinions aren't worth shit. Do you mean Groovyboy and others you know in real life? Maybe they haven't interacted with Front in a long while, becuase I can tell you, I went from hating him with a passion to being his friend, ad I'm usually rather pixky about who I befirend. He really has changed. I'm not going to debate/argue with you concerning, Tim. All I know is that about a month or so ago he used this very Site to try to bait me into a Flame War with him. I refused. |
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Post by Ro-gan on Mar 20, 2008 13:38:32 GMT -5
So, instead of being so volatile and hateful towards realms and mods...
I NEVER was hateful towards the 'Realms. I even told Bill days later when I was with him that if he wanted me to help him upkeep HCR I would be glad to do so using his ID or a secret one that would only be used for keeping the Front Page updated. At this time Bill mentioned he felt like he was the only one that was keeping the Front Page current and he was getting stressed over it.
I told Bill that I would be willing to do anything he wanted to have me help out.
And, if I'm so hateful (as you say) of the 'Realms why am I still friends and stay in contact with everyone there that I got to know through there? I still do the Cons; still call guys on the phone, visit them when able, etc...
The only Mods I was spiteful towards were the ones that jumped on here as soon as I started going public with Aaron's behavior. They had NO right defending AZS because they don't know what happened and weren't even witnesses to it. Last time I checked, Aaron's a big boy and can defend himself.
You mentioned earlier that I was immature. Well, the Mods that jumped over here were even more immature because they are Mods and willfully started and maintained a Flame War. |
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Post by Doc on Mar 20, 2008 14:52:13 GMT -5
Fair enough points.
And I've experienced similar things. Like Rock extending ym ban because he was sick and tired of getting instant messgaes from me, which he found annoying.
AIM, not Realms. That really bugged me. So yea, I get what you mean.
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Post by Doc on Mar 20, 2008 14:53:14 GMT -5
Fair enough points. And I've experienced similar things. Like Rock extending ym ban because he was sick and tired of getting instant messgaes from me, which he found annoying. AIM, not Realms. That really bugged me. So yea, I get what you mean. I should point out that last year, when this happened, he was at the peak of his power abuse, and kept seeking me out in attempts to ban me. Asshole. |
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