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Post by docdoom187 on Feb 9, 2008 19:29:39 GMT -5
I retract any positive statements I may have said towards Tuttle.
KC Superman can deal 42 damage in 1 turn, in a 400 point team, with a compeller.
42 damage.
HE CAN FUCKING KILL VETERAN 1800 POINT GALACTUS IN ONE TURN ON A 400 POINT TEAM.
Alone that is broken, as a chase figure.... Fuckl Tuttle!
What the fuck is he thinking!
A game changing piece , that's a chase!?!?!
Fuck!
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Post by charlesx on Feb 9, 2008 19:35:46 GMT -5
I retract any positive statements I may have said towards Tuttle. KC Superman can deal 42 damage in 1 turn, in a 400 point team, with a compeller. 42 damage. HE CAN FUCKING KILL VETERAN 1800 POINT GALACTUS IN ONE TURN ON A 400 POINT TEAM. Alone that is broken, as a chase figure.... Fuckl Tuttle! What the fuck is he thinking! A game changing piece , that's a chase!?!?! Fuck! Now you are starting to see the light, Doc. Actually, as far as Tuttle is concerned this is the perfect time to leave. He has timed it perfectly. Thanks to his hype around the Heroclix 5th Year Celebration, he has made himself look like a million dollars, like he's a miracle worker or something - when in truth the sales were mandatory and required in order for venues to host CoG and Starro events (not to mention the current WWHulk ones.) Tuttle has made himself look so great that Sony snapped him up in a flash. If he was so gung-ho for the game and for his fans, he'd've stuck around to ensure another 5 years of Heroclix continuity. Instead, he jumped ship before the line starts going downhill - because someone else will have to bear the blame for it while he continues to chomp down on the glory of his victorious exit. More power to him, in that he is a shrewd businessman and a master spin doctor. I am sure that he has a brilliant future ahead of him. Tuttle should really go to Washington and get a job managing a presidential hopeful's campaign. |
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Post by docdoom187 on Feb 9, 2008 20:03:41 GMT -5
I won't blame him for abondoning clix for a better job. Anyone would do it, even you Charles. I can blame him for screwing us over with Chase Figure's though...
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Post by charlesx on Feb 9, 2008 20:31:14 GMT -5
I won't blame him for abondoning clix for a better job. Anyone would do it, even you Charles. I can blame him for screwing us over with Chase Figure's though... I don't blame him for taking the higher paying job, either. Like I said, he's a shrewd businessman. As for the chase figures, yep, that's his parting shot to us all. Since the new collation makes it easy for someone to buy a C/U/R set off eBay for $40-50, this is the "new incentive" to go back to playing the booster lottery - and wind up with a ton of dupes after all (given that we aren't being forced to buy sealed for 10 weeks in a row anymore.) Tuttle definitely has left his mark on the game, no doubt about it. |
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Post by Ro-gan on Feb 10, 2008 12:55:54 GMT -5
Why am I not shocked to hear you say something like this??
You have a little brown on your nose you might want to wipe off. Lol, Ro, who am I brown nosing to? It's not like I know Tuttle, or that he even reads these boards.
And, let's not forget the brown-nosing you do with Frontman. Especially here. It's getting to the point that you are coming across as a 2nd ID of Tim's just so he can feed his own ego. I really wonder if he would stoop so low as to create a 2nd ID so he can FINALLY have someone sticking up for him. |
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Post by frontmanhcrealms on Feb 10, 2008 13:22:42 GMT -5
Lol, Ro, who am I brown nosing to? It's not like I know Tuttle, or that he even reads these boards.
And, let's not forget the brown-nosing you do with Frontman. Especially here. It's getting to the point that you are coming across as a 2nd ID of Tim's just so he can feed his own ego. I really wonder if he would stoop so low as to create a 2nd ID so he can FINALLY have someone sticking up for him.Talk about holding a grudge.  As far as having someone stick up for me? I don't need anyone to stick up for me. I know who I am, I know what I've done good and bad, and over time have earned some respect from those who once considered me an asshole. Guys like Char, ReZ, Doc? I get along with them fine now. As far as you and skeevo? These cries of "brown nose" and "abuse of power" and all the rest? It's so damn old already. Trying to convince you two of anything beyond your own hatred and anger towards me? It's like slamming my head into a locked door. I won't get through, and all I'll have for my efforts is a headache. But as far as an issue I have with you? No, I have none. I haven't for a long time. I haven't had issue with you for months. You're nothing to me, your issues are nothing to me, and I wish you well. Good luck with you life, and I hope you start living it. |
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Post by Ro-gan on Feb 10, 2008 13:37:46 GMT -5
I retract any positive statements I may have said towards Tuttle. KC Superman can deal 42 damage in 1 turn, in a 400 point team, with a compeller. 42 damage. HE CAN FUCKING KILL VETERAN 1800 POINT GALACTUS IN ONE TURN ON A 400 POINT TEAM. Alone that is broken, as a chase figure.... Fuckl Tuttle! What the fuck is he thinking! A game changing piece , that's a chase!?!?! Fuck! Now you are starting to see the light, Doc. Actually, as far as Tuttle is concerned this is the perfect time to leave. He has timed it perfectly. Thanks to his hype around the Heroclix 5th Year Celebration, he has made himself look like a million dollars, like he's a miracle worker or something - when in truth the sales were mandatory and required in order for venues to host CoG and Starro events (not to mention the current WWHulk ones.) Tuttle has made himself look so great that Sony snapped him up in a flash. If he was so gung-ho for the game and for his fans, he'd've stuck around to ensure another 5 years of Heroclix continuity. Instead, he jumped ship before the line starts going downhill - because someone else will have to bear the blame for it while he continues to chomp down on the glory of his victorious exit. More power to him, in that he is a shrewd businessman and a master spin doctor. I am sure that he has a brilliant future ahead of him. Tuttle should really go to Washington and get a job managing a presidential hopeful's campaign.
Tuttle learned from his mistakes and made Heroclix into the uber-collectors game it should not be.
What I mean by that is that people that play MtG only play a handful of games. They usually don't buy comics and comic-related toys/statues so they have the extra cash to buy MtG packs and rare singles. I have been to many MtG Tournaments and have played the game since 1994. For the majority, the people that play MtG are the hardcore power gamers. They devote their time and energy into constructing decks.
MtG-- unlike Heroclix-- has enough cards and combinations that any number of decks of differing variety can be constructed to build competitive tournament level decks. Heroclix, sadly, is not made that way. Therefore, very much like Dreamblade, only 10-15 figures are tournament-worthy. The rest are useless and worthless.
There is the rub:
MtG players can afford to buy and buy packs because the after-market value of resale benefits them. The players can sell their extra and recoup a lot of their costs. Crap In A Hat! WotC even has cash tournaments! What a better way to help pay for a game that you love.
Before Dreamblade went under for WotC I won enough tournaments that I was in the black after it was all said and done. What I'm saying is that WotC basically paid me to play their great game.
With Heroclix, the figures being produced don't allow the players to recoup expenditures. There is nothing wrong with that in a business sense. WK is after all a business and is out to make money. But, with that said, how does WotC produce MtG; make TONS of money from the customers AND YET... the customers can still turn a nice profit for themselves in the after market (I.E.: eBay)? If WotC can do it why can't WK??
But, no. Tuttle decided to go the route of chase figures that require the customers to buy booster after booster to try and get the chase figure(s) while at the same time being stuck with extra figures from these boosters that aren't worth any after-market value.
I'm not saying this will doom Heroclix. But, it doesn't bode well. Honestly, the only thing that was really keeping Heroclix going the past 12-some months is that players were required to buy boosters in order to play in the Heralds and Starro Tournaments. As a WK decision this was a great idea to make money. But, at the same time they really gave the middle finger salute to the customers.
WK has to remember that unlike MtG players who only invest in 1-3 games at a time, Heroclix players (for the majority) are also paying tons of money for their comics, comic-related toys/statues and other stuff comics-related. The tournaments WK has do not really offer players a chance to feel compensated for their game they love to play. MtG and other WotC games offered the players money tournies. The players were happy with WotC-- for the most part. Even WotC has their ohoni-type people who complain for the sake of complaining's sake.
I'm sure the new Brand Manager for WK will be able to work the system so he/she can keep WK in the black and also keep the players happy and coming back for more. |
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Post by Ro-gan on Feb 10, 2008 14:10:24 GMT -5
Tuttle and a number of the WK employees read HCRealms and this Board. I personally know enough of the ex-WK employees to state this for a fact.
And, let's not forget the brown-nosing you do with Frontman. Especially here. It's getting to the point that you are coming across as a 2nd ID of Tim's just so he can feed his own ego. I really wonder if he would stoop so low as to create a 2nd ID so he can FINALLY have someone sticking up for him. Talk about holding a grudge. As far as having someone stick up for me? I don't need anyone to stick up for me. I know who I am, I know what I've done good and bad, and over time have earned some respect from those who once considered me an asshole. Guys like Char, ReZ, Doc? I get along with them fine now. As far as you and skeevo? These cries of "brown nose" and "abuse of power" and all the rest? It's so damn old already. Trying to convince you two of anything beyond your own hatred and anger towards me? It's like slamming my head into a locked door. I won't get through, and all I'll have for my efforts is a headache. But as far as an issue I have with you? No, I have none. I haven't for a long time. I haven't had issue with you for months. You're nothing to me, your issues are nothing to me, and I wish you well. Good luck with you life, and I hope you start living it.
Where in my post (quoted above) does it say I hate you? Hold a grudge? Am angry at you? Etc, etc...
It doesn't. You're the one that can't let it go. You need to come on here and try and build yourself up. And, if that fails, then you are apparently more than happy of posting in such a way that makes you infamous. Either way you get the attention you crave.
Let it go, Tim. Control your fragile ego that you don't feel the need to come here whenever someone mentions your name so you can get your "15 minutes of fame."
Prove me wrong. Resist the strong urge your feeling right now reading this post and DON'T reply back. Let. It. Go. You're wrong here. I made an OBSERVATION. I wasn't putting you down. Crap In A Hat! I only posted what everyone has been saying both on HCRealms and here and at all the Cons I've been to. But, either way, it was only an OBSERVATION. There was no malice. But, you chose to take it that way. Why? Because you need to be the center of attention. You need to have the last word. And, it really irks you because here at Rule 3 you have no control. On HCRealms you can remove "offensive" posts that speak ill of you and ban others who you don't like. Here, you can't. So you keep coming back and behaving in un-Mod-like behavior and stooping to the level that you enjoy giving WPs and bannings for at HCR. That's called hypocrisy, Tim. Let. It. Go. Let it go.
3 words to live by.
Stay over at HCRealms and do your allegedly hard job there. It's funny because over the years I've had to listen to Shel and Duane and Aaron say how being a Moderator stinks and takes up so much of their time and yadda, yadda, yadda. If it's so frustrating dealing with chicken littles and doom-sayers and whiners and those using foul language and talking politics and starting flame wars why is it you still find time to come here to bring more attention to yourself.
Let it go. Seriously. Because, now it just seems like you are stalking and harassing me. There is no reason to reply to anything I've said above. No reason at all. There are no lies or maliciousness in my post about you. Please don't respond because I'd hate to feel like you are stalking and/or harassing me. I'd hate to have to go to the police with internet stalking. I wouldn't want to waste their time and mine and yours.
Let. It. Go, Tim. Please. My original post didn't require you to come on here and start a flame war like you are trying to do.
I was more than willing to work our differences out at last year's WWC. You have even made the statement over the past few months that you are more than willing to meet those who have a problem with you at the WWCs and work things out. Well, I was at WWC last year and you weren't. I made no secret about going there, either. So... Let. It. Go. It's not worth you getting arrested for. It's really not.
You have a problem with control. It's apparent when the most laid guy back in the world (GroovyBoy) even notices things like this about you and talks about you and your problems while we're at all the Cons we go to. GroovyBoy doesn't speak ill about anyone. Anyone. When someone can get a guy like Groovy riled then there is a problem.
Let. It. Go. Resist the urge to need to have the last word. Please. |
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Post by skeevo666 on Feb 10, 2008 14:39:23 GMT -5
. . . he can FINALLY have someone sticking up for him. When that happens my dark master's balls will be chilly indeed! . |
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Post by bigdonkey1 on Feb 10, 2008 19:31:44 GMT -5
the reality in this thread has been swerved beyond redemption.
oh well,
NUT'S ON THE ROAD
MONKEY GOVERNMENT
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Post by charlesx on Feb 11, 2008 17:00:08 GMT -5
Well, it just goes to show that Tuttle learned enough to change the way he manages businesses. When he worked on two expansion sets of MtG for WotC he was single-handedly blamed for nearly ruining MtG. A game that has been around since 1993-94 and he nearly destroyed it with two sets. Once he "left" MtG became the great game it was always and will always be again.
Tuttle decided to go the route of chase figures that require the customers to buy booster after booster to try and get the chase figure(s) while at the same time being stuck with extra figures from these boosters that aren't worth any after-market value.
I'm not saying this will doom Heroclix. But, it doesn't bode well. Honestly, the only thing that was really keeping Heroclix going the past 12-some months is that players were required to buy boosters in order to play in the Heralds and Starro Tournaments. As a WK decision this was a great idea to make money. But, at the same time they really gave the middle finger salute to the customers.
I'm sure the new Brand Manager for WK will be able to work the system so he/she can keep WK in the black and also keep the players happy and coming back for more. I hope that WK gets a Brand Manager who does a better job of reaching out to the fan base, that's for sure. I am not looking for someone who does nothing but placate the endless complaints, but who capitalizes on the passion that players have for the game by involving them in "little things" like playtesting, to give an example. Personally, I think Heroclix is in trouble if WK has to rely on uber-rare chases in order to inflate sales figures to please the corporate suits. (Not to mention that chases don't necessarily mean higher sales, but that's another matter altogether.) Anyhow - less hype, less gimmicks, and more substance to the game itself would be a welcome change. Instead of trying to follow the "industry standard", how about taking the rightful place of BECOMING the industry standard? Or is that just too insane to envision??? I'm losing heart for the game. I could stop buying new stuff right now and have enough clix to play for the rest of my life. More and more, I am seriously considering that Crisis will be my "jumping off" point. Like Rogan mentioned, there are plenty of other things I could be spending my clix money on - comics, TPBs, DVDs, etc. |
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Post by Ro-gan on Feb 11, 2008 19:18:30 GMT -5
Like Ro-gan mentioned, there are plenty of other things I could be spending my clix money on - comics, TPBs, DVDs, etc. |
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Post by charlesx on Feb 12, 2008 8:53:25 GMT -5
Like Ro-gan mentioned, there are plenty of other things I could be spending my clix money on - comics, TPBs, DVDs, etc. And if it's a dead hooker, you don't have to tip??? LOL!!! Geez, I can already tell that WWE is gonna be "extra speh-shul" this year. (I assume that you'll be there, Ro! So will ReZ, in his first appearance at a con across the pond!) |
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Post by Ro-gan on Feb 12, 2008 9:38:27 GMT -5
Hookers. You forgot hookers. If you get a good one, she is well worth spending money on. ;D And if it's a dead hooker, you don't have to tip??? LOL!!! |
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Post by bigdonkey1 on Feb 12, 2008 20:06:02 GMT -5
hang on i'm confused, what is this KC supes you speak of (i can't find a dial anywhere)
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Post by charlesx on Feb 12, 2008 23:36:39 GMT -5
hang on i'm confused, what is this KC supes you speak of (i can't find a dial anywhere) Details about the chase figures that have been found (so far) in Crisis boosters can be found here: www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=222739&highlight=chase+inThe dials are posted there as well. The new KC Superman and the Earth-2 Superman are game-breaking monsters. Check it out! |
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