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Post by Charaxes on Mar 3, 2007 5:27:52 GMT -5
I was wondering on how the community feels about the theory of Intelligent Design. Should it be taught in school or not? If so, why or not?
I'll give you my opinion later...
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Post by Conchizzie on Mar 4, 2007 14:44:07 GMT -5
I'm a big advocate for ID in schools. It is an alternative to evolution.
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Post by Paj Meen Ah on Mar 4, 2007 15:19:33 GMT -5
What's that again?
God making adam and stuff?
No thanks. I think you can learn about it in your own time, or if your family is religious, learn about it at home, but I think it'sneglect to pretend the theory of evolution doesn't exist.
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Post by No Wow on Mar 4, 2007 15:48:14 GMT -5
I'd prefer if we didnt learn stuff like that at school.
I hate all this crazy philosophical stuff / its more fun arguing about it.
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Post by Conchizzie on Mar 4, 2007 17:56:44 GMT -5
What's that again? God making adam and stuff? No thanks. I think you can learn about it in your own time, or if your family is religious, learn about it at home, but I think it'sneglect to pretend the theory of evolution doesn't exist. Neglect to pretend evolution does not exist? That has to be one of the most ignorant remarks I have ever heard. What makes evolution more believable than intelligent design? Honestly, let me hear your argument, because you seem to just be spitting out words without backup. |
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Post by Conchizzie on Mar 4, 2007 17:59:04 GMT -5
Besides, intelligent design, while mostly religious, is not nessecarily so.
It implies that some higher being supernaturally created the earth. Whether it be a god, a group of living constellations, or an alien race, that is what it as defined as.
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Post by No Wow on Mar 4, 2007 18:36:38 GMT -5
I beleive we are an accident. The whole environment of our planet is a massive mistake.
We descent from a rogue carbon atom.
I am pretty convinced the Big Bang theory is true, after studying it in physics, and after having been told the history of life by my sister who is studying biology at university, I see this as a much more believable theory.
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Post by Charaxes on Mar 4, 2007 19:41:23 GMT -5
Besides, intelligent design, while mostly religious, is not nessecarily so. It implies that some higher being supernaturally created the earth. Whether it be a god, a group of living constellations, or an alien race, that is what it as defined as. So you're saying that you want to tell Middle Schoolers that an alien race created the Earth. I'm sorry, but ID isn't science, and therefore, shouldn't be taught in school. The minute you use the word "supernatural" to describe a theory, it automatically means that the theory can't be science. I'm all for religion, but it shouldn't be taught in a public school. Unless they students are taking a religion class as an electives. And then, the religion class needs to be about the world's religion, not just Christianity. If you want to discuss exclusively your religion, then start a club or a prayer group. However, don't pass off your supernatural beliefs as science. I'm sorry, but there's no way you'll ever be able to scientifically prove that there's an Intelligent Designer; it's something that is left to faith. I don't necessarily believe evolution, as I feel that the world is just too complex to be an accident, but I don't think that we should teach religion in school. |
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Post by Conchizzie on Mar 5, 2007 6:42:33 GMT -5
Besides, intelligent design, while mostly religious, is not nessecarily so. It implies that some higher being supernaturally created the earth. Whether it be a god, a group of living constellations, or an alien race, that is what it as defined as. So you're saying that you want to tell Middle Schoolers that an alien race created the Earth. I'm sorry, but ID isn't science, and therefore, shouldn't be taught in school. The minute you use the word "supernatural" to describe a theory, it automatically means that the theory can't be science. I'm all for religion, but it shouldn't be taught in a public school. Unless they students are taking a religion class as an electives. And then, the religion class needs to be about the world's religion, not just Christianity. If you want to discuss exclusively your religion, then start a club or a prayer group. However, don't pass off your supernatural beliefs as science. I'm sorry, but there's no way you'll ever be able to scientifically prove that there's an Intelligent Designer; it's something that is left to faith. I don't necessarily believe evolution, as I feel that the world is just too complex to be an accident, but I don't think that we should teach religion in school. Very interesting points, but tell me: Can one re-create evolution? If not, one cannot scientifically prove the theory of evolution. If ID in schools is wrong, but does that not limit one's choices of belief? Again, it is an alternative to evolution, it should be the student's decision of which they choose. I'm thinking that this would only be in a high school class, biology or otherwise. I don't expect letting 6th graders make this decision. |
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Post by ReZourceman on Mar 5, 2007 6:50:02 GMT -5
I dont think Religion should be pushed upon ANYONE.
That is why I have a problem with children being christened. Also there is this preacher (Well group of 3, but mainly 1 guy) that chant about the lord Jesus Christ, down town like...every other day. I seriously want to punch him so badly.
Hes not giving Christianity a good name AT ALL! Telling people how theyve sinned and how we are going to hell?!??!!?! FUCK OFF DICK HEAD, I DONT CARE IF YOURE A CHRISTIAN BUT DONT TALK TO ME OR ANYONE, AND TRY TO PUSH IT ON US, DICK WAD!
As you can see hes an annoying cunt.
Conchizzie = Good, nice Christian
That guy = Bastardising fuck cunt.
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Post by JKL on Mar 5, 2007 12:49:50 GMT -5
I think the main problem with religion comes around when people get too wrapped up in the "you shouldn't do's" and forget about the core of the religions ultimately are about; peace, love, and helping your fellow man. All those crazy brimstone preachers are off persecuting people who are different in one form or another, people who are outcasts. Do you know who Jesus hung out with? Lepers, hookers, tax collectors, all people that were despised by the general culture.
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Post by Charaxes on Mar 5, 2007 14:59:54 GMT -5
Very interesting points, but tell me: Can one re-create evolution? If not, one cannot scientifically prove the theory of evolution. If ID in schools is wrong, but does that not limit one's choices of belief? Again, it is an alternative to evolution, it should be the student's decision of which they choose. I'm thinking that this would only be in a high school class, biology or otherwise. I don't expect letting 6th graders make this decision. Okay, so if scientists can't replicate a natural occurance within a lab setting, then it doesn't exist. So you're saying that if lab techs couldn't artifically create gravity, then you wouldn't believe in that either? What other natural occurances would you not believe unless it was replicated in a lab? Genetics? Wind? Ocean currents? I believe that it is your own group that has faith in an unforseen enitity... So, would you no longer believe in God if scientists could reconstruct Him in a lab? "Scientifically proven" doesn't mean that you can definitively reenact the process over again. Scientifically proven mean that specialists within the field will collect facts, make theories, and then test the theories over and over again. Then, if the best scientific evidence supports a single point, and that point is the ultimate conclusion time after time, then it is said that it is scientifically proven. ID, however, doesn't have real science to go along with. It is a theory based on faith; you either believe or you don't. There's no way to test ID in a lab either. I believe that the first law of physics is that "matter can neither be created nor destroyed." Matter can only be transfered; it can't be spoken into existance, scientifical speaking. Again, a belief in a creator, whether you call said creator "God" or not is supernatural belief; it would be a mater of faith, and faith cannot be mandated. Okay, here's here most have the Flying Spaghetti Monster reference. However, I don't do that. I think that the FSM agruement is demeaning to religion as a whole. However, it does bring up a good point: if I have faith in the theory that a random object (whatever it may be) created the world then it should thought under the logic of ID. However, the problem if the argument is that no one truly believes that a Flying Spaghetti Monster actually created the Earth. To use that as an argument against ID is demending not only to Christainity, but to all religions, and you will never see that can of tripe spew from my mouth. I mean, I believe that if we allow ID to be thought, then it wouldn't be long until Christains would want us to start teaching the life of Jesus Christ as historical figure. Again, I'm not saying religion is a bad thing. It is quite the opposite, actually. I believe that it's good to have something to believe in. |
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Post by JKL on Mar 5, 2007 15:02:58 GMT -5
And whether the Bible is true or not, there are definitely good principles in it to live by.
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Post by No Wow on Mar 5, 2007 15:22:50 GMT -5
And whether the Bible is true or not, there are definitely good principles in it to live by. Yeah. I agree with that. I just hate when crazies intrepret the Bible how they think it should be intrepreted and then say "This is how to be good. If you dont abide by this, you are evil, and will not get passage into heaven". Also I hate when religious leaders change the religion. For example 100 years ago preachers would be saying that in order to get to heaven you need to be white, straight, church-going and you'll have to work extra hard if you parents werent married when they gave birth to you. Nowadays there would be an outrage if the church said that. Of course its a good thing the church has changed, but it just shows how fickle and fake it is. I cant believe that god is ultra-benevolant when there is so much discrimination. If god loves us all equally, why do the church ostracise gay people, when they base their laws on the ideals brought down from heaven by Moses? |
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Post by JKL on Mar 5, 2007 15:58:24 GMT -5
And whether the Bible is true or not, there are definitely good principles in it to live by. Yeah. I agree with that. I just hate when crazies intrepret the Bible how they think it should be intrepreted and then say "This is how to be good. If you dont abide by this, you are evil, and will not get passage into heaven". Also I hate when religious leaders change the religion. For example 100 years ago preachers would be saying that in order to get to heaven you need to be white, straight, church-going and you'll have to work extra hard if you parents werent married when they gave birth to you. Nowadays there would be an outrage if the church said that. Of course its a good thing the church has changed, but it just shows how fickle and fake it is. I cant believe that god is ultra-benevolant when there is so much discrimination. If god loves us all equally, why do the church ostracise gay people, when they base their laws on the ideals brought down from heaven by Moses? God's good, people are dicks. |
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Post by Paj Meen Ah on Mar 5, 2007 16:50:52 GMT -5
And whether the Bible is true or not, there are definitely good principles in it to live by. Yeah. I agree with that. I just hate when crazies intrepret the Bible how they think it should be intrepreted and then say "This is how to be good. If you dont abide by this, you are evil, and will not get passage into heaven". Also I hate when religious leaders change the religion. For example 100 years ago preachers would be saying that in order to get to heaven you need to be white, straight, church-going and you'll have to work extra hard if you parents werent married when they gave birth to you. Nowadays there would be an outrage if the church said that. Of course its a good thing the church has changed, but it just shows how fickle and fake it is. I cant believe that god is ultra-benevolant when there is so much discrimination. If god loves us all equally, why do the church ostracise gay people, when they base their laws on the ideals brought down from heaven by Moses? That's why my family went to St.John's Church, which is protestant and has a real face. Like the co-vicar guy is gay and no one gives. This is going to sound really un-PC, but if you had to be christian, I think you should be the kind that actually accepts all people. (Protestant is the most accepting. I hate how Catholicism outlaws the use of contraception..what the hell is this? It's not like God would even give. Nothing happens if someone has sex using contraceptive devices. It's not like a lightning bolt comes down from the sky and kills you. It's like you arent allowed to have sex, unles you're willing to accept the "punishment". i just can't handle it.) I think I ranted there and didn't put much thought into this post. So if it's offensive or whatever, you know why. I think the bible, praying and living your life by the ideals of being kind to everyone you meet and generally being a nice person is fine. |
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